Finding Your Bold and Confident Voice

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Welcome to the Faith and Family Filmmakers podcast.

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My name is Jaclyn, and today I'm with Julia Langley for part two of our interview.

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And at the end of the last interview, we were actually talking about a community that she has built, and I wanna learn more about that and the different things that she does.

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So let's dive in.

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So Julia, can you tell me more about this community that you have on school?

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Remind me again what it's called.

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It's called Bold and Confident Voices.

Julia: 00:00:27

Yes, and I, you know what?

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I love it.

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It's kind.

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Kind of like my, my baby here because it's been something I I'd wanted to do for a long time to really bring people together and to give them the opportunity to participate in all kinds of things that will really take their voice, not just their voice, but their whole persona and their confidence to another level.

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And, um, and so it's here.

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Finally, I'm so excited about it.

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Um, I do have a free membership where people can jump in, but we also have a pro level that they can jump in in as well.

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And the pro level actually gives access to some really cool stuff.

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So, for example, $12 a week.

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Okay.

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It's really what it boils down to, right?

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$12 a week gives you access to every single week we do a 30 minute group vocal training.

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Session.

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Right?

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And so you come in and I do the vocal exercises.

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We talk about why that exercise is important, why you need to do it, how you do it correctly.

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We do put people on the hot seat so they get the chance to actually execute and practice this.

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And I'll give a tip.

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So, and this is once a week, so, and I have two different times that I do it So I actually really do it twice a week.

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So I have two different times that I do it because I have clients in England that jump in.

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So we

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do a time zone earlier in the day and then we do one in the evening for people who work and, and wanna participate as well.

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So that's just one example of what I offer in my pro community.

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But um, I'm also.

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So gonna be dropping very soon, a new course for speakers.

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It's like a 30 day self-paced course, and, um, that means you can do it in your own time.

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But I will guide you, you'll, you'll receive, uh, videos in the modules that you need and can guide you through the process of really taking your voice, transforming your voice.

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In 30 days.

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So I have one for speakers and then I'll have one coming out for singers.

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So it's a different track.

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Similar in some ways, in a lot of ways, but it's really focused specifically on what your goals are.

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And what your needs are.

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So this is just a few of the things that are in the community, but we, we also do some networking events in there.

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So it's a great community to bring people together, especially people who wanna speak, who have a message to give to the world or a song for the world.

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And they wanna share with their voice, but they might have fear or they might.

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Feel like no one cares what they have to say, and I hear it so much.

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Well, why would anyone listen to me?

Jaclyn: 00:03:16

Right.

Julia: 00:03:17

Yeah,

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well, you, you know, you have a message to share.

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You have a light to shine, and that is what this community is for, is to provide a platform for people to get comfortable doing that so they can go out and share their message outside.

Jaclyn: 00:03:31

That's amazing.

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That's so beneficial, so helpful.

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Uh, especially like, is this the kind of thing that people would be able to benefit from for when they go to live networking events, like learning how to speak to people

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100%.

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Uh, and I'm so glad that you brought that up because often one of the things I hear is people think that this is for, just for people who wanna take the stage all.

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like TED Talks or

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something?

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like TED talks, we need our voice to communicate.

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Every single day.

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So a business person going to a networking event, and I'm the first, one that, had to learn this going to a networking event, you know, I have, I'm outgoing, but I, I have a side to me, like I can get shy sometimes.

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And so I had to learn the skills.

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Necessary to say, hi, my name's Julia.

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It's hard to walk up.

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Sometimes you're a group of people and just say, hi, I'm Julia, and, uh, you know, so learning how to ingratiate yourself into a conversation and, and be welcoming, but, You know, be productive with others.

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Someone looking for a job interview.

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Like I had someone come to me and say, you know, I've got this job.

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It's a really huge raise for me.

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Can you help me?

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It was a high level management position.

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I said, yes.

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we actually did this, uh, one-on-one.

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So they actually came to me as a private client and we worked, and I got a call when they came out of the interview and they said, the first five questions they asked They had answers for every single one of them.

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They just

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rattled it out.

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Not only did that happen, but the next day they received a bonus and, um, accolades from the CEO of the company because the interview was great

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That's a great testimony.

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amazing.

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I was so excited.

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Well, they had to pull it off and they had to study, so I,

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you know, I'm gonna put credit where

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They put the work in,

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They put the work in, But I gave them the guidance that they needed really to make the difference in how they communicated it, because he had the knowledge up here, but he wasn't really, it wasn't connecting with the words that he was saying, you know, the knowledge that he had.

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So he really wasn't doing himself.

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Proper justice until he learned, oh, I need to say it.

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If I say it in this way, then it comes across a little bit different.

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So that's just one example, uh, of many, you know, but

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I could imagine it would, it would also be really beneficial for people that need to pitch, which happens all the time in this industry.

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all the time.

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You know, pitching, I swear.

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I think that is the thing that it's like you can do all of these other things really, really well, but if you don't know how to pitch, nothing's going

Julia: 00:06:18

No, it's not.

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Exactly.

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And that is I mean these different things that we're talking about, they're their own special thing,

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Mm-hmm.

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for lack of a better word.

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So there are techniques that you use in a job interview.

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A sales pitch type situation or at least whether it's sales or not, you're trying to bring someone over.

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Persuasive speaking is really what that's considered.

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But let's be honest, all of our speaking's really persuasive speaking because you are always selling yourself.

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Okay.

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Every single day that you walk out of your house, how you present yourself is how you come across to others and how they view you.

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And if you wanna come across as being confident and knowing what you're doing and people have this sense of trust in you, you have to be able to communicate that,

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I was, actually going to say that when you said if you wanna come across as confident, and I was thinking, yeah, and the value of that is that people will want to trust you or they feel like they can trust you because they can see that confidence and I. They feel like that means

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something.

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It's not.

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It's not an arrogance.

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It's a confidence.

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And I know for myself, when I've walked in confidence, people trust me, they give me responsibility and then they walk away believing I can do

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And they believe that's right.

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the confidence is so important.

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It really is because you can be the most knowledgeable person in the world, but if, you aren't communicating that in a confident way, and it, and lack of confidence, and I always talk about this can come out in one of two ways.

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It either comes out as being powerless and weak or comes out as being.

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Arrogant and know it all egotistical.

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So you've got two ways.

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The confidence is that balance between the two actually.

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So knowing it all is not confidence either.

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You know, that's actually a surefire sign that you're insecure.

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To be quite honest with you.

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So learning how to have that balance between feeling very secure in who you are.

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And sometimes you're gonna have people say, oh, they think they know everything.

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You have to stand in your strength.

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Trusting in yourself and your belief and knowing that in staying calm, you know, there, there's a lot of things that go into it, but confidence really is everything.

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It, it shows up in everything that we do and especially, especially if you're trying to accomplish something by using your voice.

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Absolutely

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have to use the right words, use the right tone.

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You know, it's a known fact that people that speak with a deeper voice make more money.

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interesting.

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Well, then I guess I will lower my voice.

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I do have a low voice, I think.

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Um,

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You do?

Jaclyn: 00:09:12

I'm an alto, sometimes a tenor.

Julia: 00:09:15

Well you do, but you have a very calm tone.

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And, and I would put it in the mid to low category, right?

Julia: 00:09:22

Um, but it's an absolute fact.

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This is, just research.

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This isn't me talking, this is research done that people that speak in a lower tone make more money.

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Why?

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It's the trust factor that we were just talking about.

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People trust it 'cause it seems calmer.

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More together.

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Right.

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Whether it is or not, but perception is very important.

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So especially,

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you know, when you're out there trying to, uh, sell your, screenplay, you're trying to get someone to invest in you.

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They're not gonna do it.

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If they don't trust you,

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, think of all of that money that you're asking for.

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They better trust you with it.

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they better trust

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I love that you got into mentoring, like.

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It's interesting listening to your story in the first episode.

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You know, you, you grew up, uh, you know, on stage and singing and all of that, and then you took a business class and then you got back into singing and now you're into mentoring.

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And I love that.

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And so I think sometimes that happens just because, you know, people have the experience and then they realize like, Hey, I know stuff that I can help people with.

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But was there something else, a moment for you that.

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Kind of sparked this idea that you wanted to now mentor and help other people to learn some of the things that you had to learn.

Julia: 00:10:34

Yes.

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Well, when I was not on the row with Sir when I was off, I had a voice coaching studio and um, I had people who were learning how to sing.

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It was mostly focused on singers.

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And, uh, really teaching voice technique and how to be a great singer.

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I started seeing more than just voice training happening.

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I started seeing actually transformations in everything, the way they looked, the way they carried themselves.

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The way they spoke.

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I did say one time I feel like I'm more of a therapist than I am a voice

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coach, because, you know, I would get the freakout calls on, a Saturday night, you know, where she having a meltdown, about having to do.

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Something on stage, or if they missed if I had to be outta town and they missed a vocal lesson, you would think I was, I was doing brain surgery.

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I was like, I'm not a surgeon, like I'm a voice coach.

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we can't, you have to be here.

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So I would have to do remote sessions with people just to calm them down enough because of the stage fright that comes with it.

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And that's not me.

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There's no.

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This is a real paralyzing thing.

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The fear of being on public speaking and is right up there with spiders.

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It's the number one fear in the world.

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So this was a real thing.

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So moving forward with that, I saw this transformation.

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Happening and I was like, there's something, there's something to this.

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So it it, instead of voice coaching, it started becoming more like

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but in 2019, I had something life changing.

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I got hit by a car while I was riding my bicycle.

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And instantly my life was different.

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You know, I'm riding high, I'm like boating and going out with my friends when I'm in South Florida and like living this.

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Tropical lifestyle, right?

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It's the top of my game, and it's changed like that.

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Right.

Julia: 00:12:33

you know, I had five broken bones and a spinal cord injury, and I mean, I couldn't even open a Tupperware.

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My hands were so badly mangled and damaged, and I'm a, classical piano player too, on top of that.

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So like, it was my hands, I couldn't.

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Move them.

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And I also had the neck injury that wouldn't allow me to do anything with my arms.

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I I was this close to being paralyzed.

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I had four surgeries after that, one a year for four years.

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I had five broken bones.

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And I, about four months after my accident, the, um, nightmares started.

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So that's when I got diagnosed with, uh, PTSD, and that is its own a, aside from the physical injuries that I suffered, that might be the hardest part of it because it was a complete readjustment.

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Right.

Julia: 00:13:21

know what a panic attack was before then.

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I didn't know why I wasn't sleeping.

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Like there was all kinds of things, you know.

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Um.

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I remember doing a tour after I was diagnosed with this once, and they picked me up and moved me around and it was like being thrown through the air.

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I remember flight being flying through the air after getting hit, and I had a, I had panic attack, like, you can't, so things like this.

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So there were a lot of changes that I had to make.

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We went right out of that into.

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The pandemic.

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So I was convalescing and then now all of a sudden I get my yellow slip from Cirque de Soleil that says, Hey everyone, 4,000 people

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out of a job just like that.

Jaclyn: 00:14:05

Yeah.

Julia: 00:14:05

Entertainment's the first to go and the last to come back, you know, in a situation like that.

Julia: 00:14:10

So you know, it was hard times, but I. In my usual fashion, I was like, okay, what am I gonna do with this?

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So the first thing I did was I came home to spend time with my parents, and thank goodness that I did, because my father passed in 2021.

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So I got to spend that time with him going to breakfast, you know, doing silly things.

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Not only that, I got time to rethink where I wanted to go with my business.

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And that was when the expansion started.

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So I really decided that what I was doing was bigger than just vocal technique.

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It was life changing.

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And this was about performers.

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This is about business people.

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This is about people who need to be louder than their kids, so their kids listen to 'em.

Jaclyn: 00:15:03

Yes.

Julia: 00:15:04

Yeah.

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This is about people who wanna audition.

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This is about a relationship that needs better communication.

Jaclyn: 00:15:12

So representing your yourself every day.

Julia: 00:15:16

That's exactly right.

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Every single day and I said, okay, so I'm just going to expand instead of, I usually don't use the word pivot.

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We were talking about this other, I use the word expansion.

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I like expansion.

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Because, well it had, that has been really my, more true for me because I'm still true to my roots here, you know?

Julia: 00:15:39

But it's just finding new and different ways to, to surf.

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So at that was that point, I was like, I wanna go global.

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This is gonna be a global experience and so we're still, I wanna do that and I go out there and I'm still doing it.

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'cause I just got back from England a couple of weeks ago curating a

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new.

Jaclyn: 00:16:02

on Facebook, I was watching that.

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I saw the videos you posted.

Julia: 00:16:06

Yeah, uh, yeah, where I did two music workshops and then we are curating a big gala Next year we're actually gonna take people with us and they can participate in all this.

Julia: 00:16:16

So this is a new event that's coming

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up.

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But yeah, uh, you know, that was my goal is that I wanted, I just The Sky's the, the limit.

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And I think that that's the biggest thing is that I want people to know that if you want something, you can do it.

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You can do this.

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You just gotta find the inspiration within here or out, wherever you need to find it and move on It

Jaclyn: 00:16:45

And I think that that's part of the fullness of life that the Bible talks about.

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Like there's, you know,

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so true.

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Jesus came to give us life and life to the full.

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And you know, talking about language.

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You say you don't use pivot, you use expanded.

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And I stopped using the word busy.

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I say full, uh, because.

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A lot

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of the work that I do, and I mean, I stopped this years ago, even when I was an at-home mom.

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Like there was so much that I was doing, but all of it.

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I didn't wanna give up any of it, right?

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So there was none of it that was busy work.

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It was all just, it was all work that was leading me in the direction that I wanted to go.

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And so then I thought, you know what?

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I have a full life.

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It's not just my calendar that's full.

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Like I have fulfillment inside.

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I, I love what I do.

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Like I really loved being a mom, like taking care of kids in the home and.

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So I love what you're saying, like with choosing your words that really do actually represent how you feel or how you view something.

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And then also, again, like choosing those words

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for how to represent yourself,

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you know, how, how do you want to be seen in the world?

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Like you said, even, how do you want your kids to see you?

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How do you want your spouse to see you?

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Like it can be something that immediate in your life, but it could go all the way to pitching to investors or a job interview or.

Jaclyn: 00:18:06

You know, all of the different things that you talked about that's so amazing and I think so valuable.

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I think that there was a time before television and probably even before radio where books were so, so common.

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I don't think people read like.

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We used to, I know, I, I fall into that category.

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I am one of those people.

Jaclyn: 00:18:27

I would much rather, you know, watch a video than read even if it takes the same amount of time.

Julia: 00:18:33

Right.

Julia: 00:18:34

No.

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It's just easier.

Julia: 00:18:35

Let's put it just easier,

Jaclyn: 00:18:37

easier,

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but the thing is that the language skills are very

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different.

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When, when you think about the books that were written back then, like the language skills of people at that time were so much stronger.

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They represented themselves with so much more, uh, intentionality than today.

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And so I love like that you've come up with a way to help people to understand and figure out like, who do you want to be?

Jaclyn: 00:19:05

And then let's help you represent that.

Julia: 00:19:08

It's a choice we have.

Julia: 00:19:09

We have choices every day.

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So what are we gonna choose?

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we gonna choose to be negative?

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Are we gonna choose to look at this like a, just a challenge?

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And are we gonna choose to say, Hey, I'm being tested.

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Are we gonna choose to go?

Julia: 00:19:22

Well, all of this always happens to me.

Julia: 00:19:24

What are you gonna do today?

Julia: 00:19:26

You know, and, and it's just, it's not easy.

Julia: 00:19:29

I think that that's the thing I wanna say is that being a better version of yourself is, it's hard and it requires a lot of, sometimes.

Julia: 00:19:40

Accepting some things that you don't wanna hear about or you, you really don't wanna turn that, that critical eye on yourself and say, okay, I lost my temper.

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I shouldn't have done that.

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Okay, let's try to do better next time.

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Or, you know, let's not get emotional over this.

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Or let's take three breaths before we respond, or whatever that might be, you know?

Julia: 00:20:01

But we do have a choice in things.

Julia: 00:20:05

And of course, I pray about this kinda stuff all the time.

Julia: 00:20:07

You know, every day I read my devotional and then, I could write a whole paragraph on my devotional every single day and how that applies to what's going on in my life.

Julia: 00:20:18

You know, it's, whether it be about charity resilience or love, or the fruits of the spirit, whatever it may be, I could write a book on it, you know, each day.

Julia: 00:20:28

So it's always, um.

Julia: 00:20:31

It's a work in progress, but you will look back six months, 12 months and go, I'm so different than who I was then, and you didn't even know you were making that progress.

Julia: 00:20:44

It's just the effort that you do to move forward.

Julia: 00:20:48

There's a phrase that I like to use.

Julia: 00:20:50

I always say the famous show, biz line, fake it till you make it.

Julia: 00:20:54

I say, faith it till you make it.

Jaclyn: 00:20:56

Oh, faith it.

Jaclyn: 00:20:58

I love it.

Julia: 00:20:58

words are

Julia: 00:20:59

important because you wanna be the best version of yourself.

Julia: 00:21:02

You wanna be the best communicator you can be.

Julia: 00:21:05

You wanna be all that.

Julia: 00:21:07

You have to have faith that it can happen and that it will happen, and that you're not alone, that God's got your back, and that he's looking out for you

Julia: 00:21:17

and you just gotta keep moving forward.

Julia: 00:21:19

And in the first episode, we talked a little bit about this, about.

Julia: 00:21:24

Just do it

Jaclyn: 00:21:26

Right.

Jaclyn: 00:21:26

Yes.

Julia: 00:21:27

and then listen and then tweak

Jaclyn: 00:21:30

Yeah.

Julia: 00:21:30

and do some more, you know?

Julia: 00:21:32

And pretty soon you'll find out that you're way further down the road than you thought you were.

Jaclyn: 00:21:37

Yes.

Jaclyn: 00:21:38

Even if you can only make small changes each day, those, all of those changes or all of the effort, I guess I should say, rather than changes effort, all of the effort that you put in, even if it's a small amount, it all adds up.

Jaclyn: 00:21:52

It's, all moving forward.

Jaclyn: 00:21:54

It's moving in that direction that you wanna go.

Jaclyn: 00:21:56

If you think I don't have more than just this small amount of time or effort to put into something, and so then I'm not gonna bother, I'm gonna wait until I actually have the time to do it.

Jaclyn: 00:22:06

Then it's gonna take you a lot longer to get there.

Julia: 00:22:10

Right, and I'm not suggesting throwing caution to the wind and being putting up substan.

Julia: 00:22:16

I, that's not the kind of thing that I'm talking about here, but I am talking about start because no matter how perfect you think it is, when you start and you can, redo and redo and redo and go.

Julia: 00:22:29

This is perfect.

Julia: 00:22:30

You start, you're gonna find out two or three weeks down the road that there's something needs to be changed.

Julia: 00:22:38

That something needs to be tweaked.

Julia: 00:22:39

And six months down the road, you're gonna find out something else that you're gonna have.

Julia: 00:22:42

Tweak that a little bit, right?

Julia: 00:22:44

Because that's what growth is.

Julia: 00:22:47

So just understand that you do the best you can.

Julia: 00:22:50

You put it up there and then know that it's going to morph, it's going to design it.

Julia: 00:22:56

Self, that that's how creativity, I mean, that's how it works if you give it room to work like that.

Julia: 00:23:03

So it's, it's, yeah, it's doing your absolute best in that moment, putting it out there and being flexible enough to see the changes that need to be made as they come and then go woo along with it.

Jaclyn: 00:23:17

I love it.

Jaclyn: 00:23:18

So good.

Jaclyn: 00:23:19

Thank you so much for being on our podcast.

Jaclyn: 00:23:21

I've really enjoyed our conversations, and I just wanna also let people know that you can find Julia Langley's curriculum on faf association.com, and also, as she mentioned, you can look for her in school.

Julia: 00:23:35

That's right.

Julia: 00:23:35

Bold and confident voices.

Jaclyn: 00:23:37

Oh, perfect.

Jaclyn: 00:23:38

Bold and confident voices.

Jaclyn: 00:23:39

So good.

Jaclyn: 00:23:40

Well, thank you so much.

Jaclyn: 00:23:41

Have a great day.

Julia: 00:23:42

Thank you.