Let’s Make More Action Films!

Geoff: 00:00:00

Hey there.

Geoff: 00:00:00

Welcome to the Faith and Family Filmmakers podcast.

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I am Geoff, and I've got a young adult with me today, Ian Wilson.

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Ian is just a follower of Yeshua who wants to make cool movies that he'd actually want to sit down and watch, and whether it's directing, acting, or anything else

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in the film industry, he wants to make cool stuff and just give God the glory.

Geoff: 00:00:23

Welcome, Ian.

Ian: 00:00:24

Hey, thanks for having me on.

Geoff: 00:00:25

Well we've been, uh, we've known each other for a while.

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Met at content

Ian: 00:00:29

Officially.

Geoff: 00:00:30

Yeah, that's true.

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you've also been a part of our, our producers program, so we've had, uh, a bunch of contact here and there, and it's great to have you involved in our weekly meetings.

Geoff: 00:00:39

It's good to finally get this chance to sit down and share what's going on in your life with our listeners.

Ian: 00:00:44

I know right.

Geoff: 00:00:46

So let's start by talking about your journey into filmmaking.

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Where did this all start for you?

Ian: 00:00:52

Yeah, when I was younger I was in a lot of stage productions, mainly through church, but that's kind of where I had my roots.

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And that lasted for a while.

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Even when we moved here to West Virginia, I still got involved with another stage production called Scrooge.

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It's a, a Christmas Carol, um, kind of production that's, I did that for like three years and that was like my wrap up stage production time.

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It was in that time, um, like 2016, um, that I started my YouTube channel.

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Um, I had no goals in mind for it.

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I just like, you know, I, I see people making videos.

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I'm like, I just wanna shoot something and just put it out there.

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And it was the most ridiculous video you could think of.

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But I put it out there and I just, I kept doing that and I'm like, you know.

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I kind of like doing this.

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This is kind of fun.

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Um, so it was in that time, like I kept uploading like amateur videos and, um, 2018 rolls around that era.

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And like, that's when I think I officially decided, yeah, I'm going to go full, send it in the film.

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I've got like a passion for it.

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I think God's calling me to it.

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I just, I find this fun to do.

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So it was like 2018, I guess.

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I made like the first somewhat solid short film.

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It was like extremely amateur still.

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But I put my first short film out there called Kidnap Mystery.

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I just got my friends together.

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I got, um, my brothers and my dad to help me out with it.

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And I just, I.

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Threw it out there.

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That was when I was in a course at the time, that didn't really teach me film per se, but it kind of taught me the history and how the cinema world came to be.

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Yeah, I, I sort of moved on from there, kept making like amateur stuff.

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it wasn't until I got involved with a, I. An academy called Tomorrow's filmmakers that I really actually started to make a turnaround, and I

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think a lot of your listeners may know what tomorrow's filmmakers is.

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It's like one of the largest filmmaking academies that's online.

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it really helped me understand like the basics of film technicalities, so to speak.

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Like well, Canberra to use how to you know, work with your sound, like what to, how to plan for a shoot, so to speak.

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And this was like very basic stuff.

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This wasn't like top-notch film level stuff, but it.

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It got me an understanding.

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It was in 2020 when the world was completely shut down, that I really started to like change the quality of what I was doing.

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It really started like to noticeably change.

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You all remember 2020?

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Um, it wasn't until 2021, actually, it was shortly before 2021.

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I was I was just talking with God.

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I'm like, okay, if you really want me to pursue this as a career, could you please put me with people who are doing the same thing?

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And it wasn't until months later I was actually planning to make like a three ql, four kidnap mystery, like the amateur series that I started with.

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And um, funny enough, I put a casting call out on, uh, Christian filmmakers, that Facebook group, um, 'cause I'm looking for a female to play this one role of all people to reach out to me.

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I get a comment or I know a message from Sheila Munger.

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I think some of your listeners may know who she is.

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She.

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Of all people.

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She directed the Princess Cut movies and wrote them with her husband.

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And Princess Cut is like, um, Ashley Bratcher's first movie that she was in, but she's the person to reach out to me and she's like, I have a daughter, like she could possibly be in your film.

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It was a long story short, but we got to know each other a little more and like the whole thing with her daughter coming on, my film ended up not working out, which.

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Honestly, in the end, God kind of like led me away from doing that film and completing it, which, you know, it would've wasted a lot of my time if I would've gone through with it.

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But that's another story.

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Sheila felt bad for like having to, uh, back outta the project, but she was like, Hmm, why don't you come on a film set with me.

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And so like for a few weeks, went down to North Carolina and she was basically like my stepmom mentor, and she kind of like, looked after me, so to speak when I was on set with her and offset.

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And that's how I got started in this professionally.

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Um, and then, you know, from there the rest is history.

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There's a lot of other stories I could go into, but that's basically how I got

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started.

Geoff: 00:04:59

So tell us about some of the roles.

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I know you primarily identify as an actor and a director, but I believe you also do some writing, some editing.

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Us about what you do.

Ian: 00:05:12

Uh, so obviously, um, short films that kind of have to do everything, um, when you're like super indie and on YouTube and whatnot, like you kind of pull many hats at once.

Ian: 00:05:24

Um, but yeah, writing is something I've been doing for a while, even if my first few projects weren't very good.

Geoff: 00:05:29

That's the way everybody starts, right?

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You gotta start with Project

Ian: 00:05:33

Yep.

Ian: 00:05:33

Absolutely.

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So, yeah, as time went on, I I got a better understanding for the craft of writing.

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I'm not saying I'm like a professional at writing or anything like that, but I feel like I've gotten way better than I was like five years ago, for instance.

Ian: 00:05:47

Yeah, like editing.

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I kind of had to teach myself that too.

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'cause when I started YouTube, I didn't know like what I was doing.

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So I'm like, oh, this does this, this does this.

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So it was kind of that line of steps I took and like I've been doing it for eight years.

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I kind of had to learn things on my own.

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I mean, sometimes I'd pull up a YouTube edia to learn a thing or two that I'd need to.

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That's kind of been my editing and writing journey.

Geoff: 00:06:09

So if I understand correctly, uh, a lot of the technical stuff you learned in tomorrow's filmmakers, just, uh, contrast that with what you found in the Producers mentorship program with the

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Faith and Family Filmmakers

Ian: 00:06:23

In contrast, well, tomorrow's filmmakers doesn't teach you how to produce an actual movie.

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It just teaches you the basic techniques.

Ian: 00:06:31

So I'd say that's the biggest contrast.

Ian: 00:06:33

Um, because, uh, the VIP program that I'm in with the Producers Club, that is like I. Specifically tailored for producers and for actually making a film or like actually

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getting something produced that's like top-notch and it's actually taught by a producer.

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I'd say that's the biggest difference.

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Tomorrow's filmmakers is taught by a professional videographer who has a basic understanding of the film world.

Geoff: 00:06:56

Mm-hmm.

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Tell us about some of your goals.

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What is ahead for you?

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What are you looking to

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do?

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What are your hopes?

Ian: 00:07:02

love to get married.

Ian: 00:07:05

Yeah, that's up there.

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But yeah, professionally I would love to, um, make feature films full-time.

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I love to act when the opportunity comes.

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I don't care, like, you know, the nature of the film usually just as long as my.

Ian: 00:07:19

Principles and beliefs are not compromised in the process, but that's kind of what I wanna do.

Ian: 00:07:24

I think recently, like what I've considered, my biggest thing being is just like totally branding my production company as like a production company that makes action features.

Ian: 00:07:35

That's the big goal.

Ian: 00:07:36

I would love to make action films.

Ian: 00:07:38

I feel like there's not enough followers of Christ who are doing that.

Geoff: 00:07:42

I agree.

Ian: 00:07:43

Yeah.

Ian: 00:07:43

I just, I have a love for action.

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I have a love for moving, like, just like constantly staying in the thrill, you know?

Ian: 00:07:49

That's my long-term goal and I'm still working my weight there.

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I'd love to get my first feature made sometime soon.

Ian: 00:07:55

Still working on that?

Geoff: 00:07:57

Have you

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seen Homestead?

Ian: 00:07:58

I have not

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yet.

Geoff: 00:07:59

I really liked

Ian: 00:08:00

I

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have not yet.

Ian: 00:08:00

I plan

Geoff: 00:08:01

I'd like to see

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a lot more of,

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uh, more

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episodes.

Ian: 00:08:03

I, I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about Homestead, but I'm gonna watch it eventually.

Geoff: 00:08:07

of course action.

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It can mean a lot of

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things.

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I.

Ian: 00:08:10

It can be blended.

Geoff: 00:08:11

And so there's certain types of action that appeal to me and some that don't.

Geoff: 00:08:15

But in general, um, we need a lot more that you know, are, of interest to

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men.

Ian: 00:08:20

Mm-hmm.

Ian: 00:08:21

I wanna feel like a

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man.

Geoff: 00:08:22

well, you know, there's, movies that, uh, appeal to both and, and what we might call a man's type movie that women like and.

Geoff: 00:08:30

Men who like what might be branded as a typical women's movie or a chick flick or whatever.

Geoff: 00:08:35

but yeah, there are certain, uh, genres of movies that are just, uh, underserved in the film, in the

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faith

Ian: 00:08:41

There's a lot of marketing opportunity with them too, and a lot of outreach potential.

Ian: 00:08:46

would love to see more people pick up action.

Ian: 00:08:49

I know they're expensive, but it's a goal I. It's a

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goal,

Geoff: 00:08:52

some of it is the fact that there are a lot of Christians who don't watch faith-based films and whatever the reasons for that.

Geoff: 00:09:01

Uh, and one of them might be that the types of movies they're interested in are just not

Ian: 00:09:06

Right.

Ian: 00:09:06

Lot of hallmarky out there.

Geoff: 00:09:08

And that's okay.

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We just need more.

Geoff: 00:09:10

So tell us about your acting.

Ian: 00:09:12

Well, for the longest time I did a lot of acting through my YouTube videos.

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I do a lot of various sketches and other creative content.

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I also post all my short films there when the time comes for it.

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But that's kind of what has been my medium, I guess, for expressing my acting skill and building it.

Ian: 00:09:33

It wasn't really until last year that I think God really started to open up doors for acting and like even going into last year, like I

Ian: 00:09:42

just had a feeling that that year things were gonna start picking up.

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I just, I had that feeling like in the back of my head.

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I, I just, I knew it was gonna happen and so I come four months into the year.

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Um, still kind of stale.

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I've only had free jobs up to this point just for the year.

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But I get a text, I think, uh, or it was, uh, on Messenger from a guy named Robert John Rivera.

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I was friends with him on Facebook.

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We had known each other through a group called the Boston Filmmakers Meetup, like.

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We'd meet every month, like the first of the month, first Friday of the month, I believe.

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And we'd just talk about each other's careers, like where we're at, like what's going on, how we can help each other improve.

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But he wanted to reach out to me and just talk.

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So we, we set up a date and we like have a zoom call and we get to know each other.

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It was a, he's a pretty interesting guy.

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We got a lot in common.

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Um, we both like, uh, video games.

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He's a more of a Nintendo guy.

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I am more of an Xbox guy, but.

Ian: 00:10:35

Little did I know that like into the call, the further we get that this sort of just becomes a recruitment call for a show called The Chosen Ones, he's

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like, I'm trying to do a show that's basically about Christian superheroes.

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I don't know if you remember the Show Heroes, which is a show about showing people that have these powers, but it's more of like a down to earth feel kind

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of show where you actually get to explore like the individual and their story.

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It's not like the larger than life type of feel that Marvel or DC has.

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I'm like, yeah, I know that show.

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Um, so he is like, it's a very similar dynamic to that show and he is like, you look a lot like how I envision the main character.

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I'm like, okay.

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So like, it, it was kind of funny.

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It was a recruitment call in, a manner of words, but he's like, I would love you to self tape for the role of Kenny.

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And so I think a couple weeks go by where like, finally I get the sides to self tape.

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It was right in the middle of ICFF.

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Funny enough, I was volunteering there.

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And I'm like, okay, I just need to get this shot and get it sent out.

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we shoot it one night.

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Um, I accidentally delete the footage, um, like, the morning after.

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I'm like, crap, I need to record it.

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So I get that recorded and sent off like right in the middle of ICFI think it's kind of like a foreshadowing, but it's really kind of surreal, like recording in the middle of a film festival.

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A week later, he, uh, calls me back and he's like, we decided to unanimously cast as the role of Kenny, and.

Ian: 00:11:58

Like that was my first, yes, technically just a real God moment that happened there.

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Um, and then like shortly after, um, I get cast in a short film called Daisy, um, that's produced by Venus, Monique and Sharon Lanier and Stephanie Half.

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Fortunately, I got the opportunity to know these ladies, um, kind of upfront, like all three of them were there at ICFF plus.

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I had known Venus for a little bit.

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I've been looking to connect with Stephanie because she lives like two hours away in Pittsburgh, so they cast me as the abusive boyfriend

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in that short film, and we, we shot that back June of last year.

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Since then, uh, yeah, things have slowly started picking up and, uh, my third yes, was this year, it's for a project called Citadel of the King.

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Which is being shot in August.

Ian: 00:12:43

That's, uh, being directed by Joseph, Ellie, or Eli.

Ian: 00:12:47

I, I'm sorry, Joseph.

Ian: 00:12:48

I, I may be butchering your last name.

Ian: 00:12:49

I don't know how you pronounce it, but it's a very small rule.

Ian: 00:12:52

But, um, it is just another God moment and God's just like showing me over and over again.

Ian: 00:12:57

Yeah, I got this.

Ian: 00:12:57

Your time is like solely creeping up, so just trust me.

Ian: 00:13:01

So that's kind of been my acting journey, um, professionally so far.

Ian: 00:13:05

I'm just waiting to see what else God has.

Ian: 00:13:08

my other goal is to like, to act in feature films that I make.

Ian: 00:13:10

Like, uh, I think Alexandra Boylan said in like, your guys' first podcast interviews.

Ian: 00:13:14

Like, if they're not giving you a platform, just go out and create your own platform.

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So that's kind of, that's kind of like another line of thinking that I have.

Ian: 00:13:22

I'm like, why don't I just do that?

Ian: 00:13:24

Make my own movie.

Geoff: 00:13:25

Yeah.

Geoff: 00:13:25

we had t-shirts made.

Geoff: 00:13:26

If they won't let you

Geoff: 00:13:27

sit at the table.

Geoff: 00:13:28

Build your own table.

Geoff: 00:13:29

Yeah,

Ian: 00:13:30

table.

Geoff: 00:13:31

that was, that was her quote from that

Geoff: 00:13:32

podcast.

Geoff: 00:13:33

Uh, do you wanna tell us a little more about the chosen ones?

Geoff: 00:13:36

I think has it been a, uh, a teaser shot for it or a proof of concept?

Ian: 00:13:40

Funny enough, we're actually coming up on like nearly a year, um, since we had our little promo shoot up in NYC, that's gonna be May 19th.

Ian: 00:13:48

That'll be one year since like we were all kind of on that promo shoot together.

Ian: 00:13:52

So that kind of a like sentimental date.

Ian: 00:13:54

So since then they wanted to get like enough funds for the pilot.

Ian: 00:14:00

It ended up not working out.

Ian: 00:14:02

Exactly.

Ian: 00:14:03

That's just how the indie film business works.

Ian: 00:14:05

Like nothing's guaranteed.

Ian: 00:14:06

It's very hard to like raise funds.

Geoff: 00:14:09

it's not easy and it doesn't come

Ian: 00:14:11

Yeah, exactly.

Ian: 00:14:12

So since then, I, I think it was like in the fall of last year that Robert and the team decided that, okay, we're gonna just try and shoot.

Ian: 00:14:21

Scenes from the pilot and put together a SA reel that we could take to investors and pitch to.

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So that's what they started doing.

Ian: 00:14:27

In December, they flew up some of our actors to, um, NYC and shot some scenes with them at Times Square and whatnot.

Ian: 00:14:34

I got flown out there in January to, uh, shoot some scenes with, uh, Carter Nelms, who's, uh, a really great guy.

Ian: 00:14:41

Uh, I, I look forward to working with him more.

Ian: 00:14:43

He is, he is just really good.

Ian: 00:14:45

It was fun, um, bouncing off of him and our scenes together.

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He's really good despite not being in this business very long.

Ian: 00:14:51

So yeah, we shot my scenes up there.

Ian: 00:14:53

They got the, uh, scenes for the sizzle reel kind of wrapped like early February, I think, or mid-February.

Ian: 00:14:59

They were putting together a kind of concept trailer of sorts taking scenes from the pilot that we shot.

Ian: 00:15:04

And that is nearly done.

Ian: 00:15:06

It's like a hundred percent visually done.

Ian: 00:15:08

They're just, tweaking a little bit of sound right now, but it's going to be premiered online with Eventbrite at some point, I believe.

Ian: 00:15:14

And there's gonna be like a premier in NYC at Roberts Church.

Ian: 00:15:19

So I'm looking forward to that.

Ian: 00:15:20

I'm hoping to make a trip up to New York to, um, just, you know, hang out for the premier.

Ian: 00:15:23

I I think that's gonna be fun.

Ian: 00:15:25

And yeah, we hope from getting that Premier done that we can raise a little extra money for the other things we need to put together for our pitch.

Ian: 00:15:31

And that's, um, where we're at kind of right now.

Ian: 00:15:33

Um, we'd love to shoot this summer, but then again, it's all about timing and whether God green lights it or not.

Geoff: 00:15:38

Yeah.

Geoff: 00:15:38

Well, Robert John Rivera has been attending some of our, uh,

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Thursday networking events as well, so

Geoff: 00:15:45

yeah.

Geoff: 00:15:45

Yeah.

Geoff: 00:15:46

So hopefully all of the connections will come into

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place and this thing will

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move forward.

Geoff: 00:15:51

Uh, tell me, let's talk for a moment about being a young filmmaker and what,

Geoff: 00:15:57

I mean, I know that's the only perspective you have,

Ian: 00:16:00

When I was 50, I shot like four films in two days.

Ian: 00:16:04

Whatcha talking about?

Geoff: 00:16:06

What do you think might be a unique, what might young filmmakers have to offer that is unique?

Geoff: 00:16:12

You know, give us some perspective on young faith-based filmmakers, where's their head at,

Geoff: 00:16:17

what's their goals?

Ian: 00:16:18

One thing that I've taken to consider is we have a lot of time.

Ian: 00:16:22

We have a lot of time.

Ian: 00:16:23

The world may look a little bleak right now, but still like we have.

Ian: 00:16:26

A lot of time.

Ian: 00:16:27

We're still really young and we still have a lot of area we can cover still.

Ian: 00:16:32

I know some people, they started this business when, or started in this business when they were like, let's give an, uh, an example.

Ian: 00:16:39

Morgan Freeman, he didn't get, like, his first acting role too was in his fifties.

Ian: 00:16:42

So the fact that we're starting this early, there's a lot of area we can still cover and like we are like already ahead of the game.

Ian: 00:16:51

There's a lot of people in this industry that like, we're already five years ahead of from where they started.

Ian: 00:16:56

Because they started a little late in their, um, in their life.

Ian: 00:16:58

And I feel like that's one thing is that we just have a lot of area we can cover still.

Ian: 00:17:02

I feel like also the younger you are, and I'm not like trying to put a damper on anyone for their imagination and whatnot, but I feel like the

Ian: 00:17:09

younger you are, the bigger you can dream and the bigger goals you can set.

Ian: 00:17:13

Doesn't matter how big they are, but I believe like you can stretch for higher if you're younger.

Ian: 00:17:18

that, that's just my opinion.

Ian: 00:17:20

I feel like you can like set bigger goals if you're younger.

Ian: 00:17:22

'cause like just the way you see the world.

Ian: 00:17:24

You haven't gone out there and lived a whole bunch of stuff yet, but you can just see things a lot differently than how, like, as opposed to someone

Ian: 00:17:32

who's like, I don't know, 30 or older, Yeah, kind of like think like a child.

Ian: 00:17:37

A child like has a huge, huge imagination and like, I feel like when your brain is undeveloped, you can still have a pretty huge imagination.

Ian: 00:17:45

doesn't like the brain develop it like fully, like 25 to 30.

Ian: 00:17:49

I don't know, like somewhere around there.

Ian: 00:17:50

But yeah, that's kind of my position on that.

Geoff: 00:17:53

I think one of the things there that comes to my mind, and this is true.

Geoff: 00:17:57

Regardless of age, people need to be willing to start small or start where they can and grow from there.

Geoff: 00:18:04

And that can be difficult for some people, especially, you know, when you're talking about having lots of time, people who are older may

Geoff: 00:18:11

feel they've got to do something perfect, they've gotta start right off

Geoff: 00:18:15

professionally where.

Ian: 00:18:17

I feel called out.

Geoff: 00:18:18

We've, we've learned, and we've been told over and over that you just have to start, you have to do it.

Geoff: 00:18:26

You have to do it imperfectly until it improves and becomes perfect or close to perfect.

Geoff: 00:18:31

You know what I mean?

Geoff: 00:18:32

And younger people may more naturally flow that way because it's expected that you're learning.

Geoff: 00:18:39

It's expected that you're doing your best with what you're doing, uh, and, and getting better and growing.

Geoff: 00:18:43

And so, um.

Geoff: 00:18:45

I think that's one positive thing, realizing that if you keep working at it, you will get there.

Geoff: 00:18:50

And

Ian: 00:18:51

Mm-hmm.

Geoff: 00:18:51

that's,

Geoff: 00:18:52

um, that's pretty exciting.

Ian: 00:18:53

Go through the 10,000 ways, how not to build a light bulb.

Geoff: 00:18:57

That's right.

Geoff: 00:18:58

Well, Ian, before we go, tell us where we can find your, uh, YouTube content and any other links that you'd like to

Geoff: 00:19:04

share where people can reach you.

Ian: 00:19:06

Um, so most of my stuff is on YouTube.

Ian: 00:19:09

My handle is Wilson Productions official.

Ian: 00:19:12

Sometimes when you type in Wilson Productions, it doesn't just pop up right away, but when you, uh, when you look at the, the different channel logos going

Ian: 00:19:19

down, it's a. Dude that's wearing a robe and a hood and he's standing on a hill.

Ian: 00:19:23

That's my logo.

Ian: 00:19:24

It says Wilson Productions on it.

Ian: 00:19:26

My handle is Wilson Productions official.

Ian: 00:19:27

I do have a website.

Ian: 00:19:29

Um.

Ian: 00:19:30

But I feel like that is used as little as possible in I'd love to get more traffic to it.

Ian: 00:19:35

I think that'd be great.

Ian: 00:19:36

But most of my stuff happens on social media.

Ian: 00:19:38

But my website is wilson productions official.com if you wanna look that up.

Ian: 00:19:43

um, I do have an Instagram.

Ian: 00:19:44

You can look up at Freedom Fire 20.

Ian: 00:19:46

That's my handle.

Ian: 00:19:47

And yeah, like if you wanna support the chosen ones, the show I'm part of, that's the chosen ones.net.

Ian: 00:19:53

Go check that stuff out.

Ian: 00:19:54

We're still raising money to put things together.

Ian: 00:19:56

So

Ian: 00:19:57

yeah,

Ian: 00:19:57

if you wanna

Ian: 00:19:58

support the show, go there.

Geoff: 00:19:59

looks like a great concept and again, something that's, uh, unique and, uh, missing in the faith space

Ian: 00:20:05

For the keyboard warriors Bible man does not count.

Ian: 00:20:08

I'm sorry.

Geoff: 00:20:09

thanks so much for, uh, sharing with us today.

Geoff: 00:20:12

Uh, it's been great to hear your perspective and, uh, on a personal level.

Geoff: 00:20:16

I'm sure we'll see you soon online and, um,

Geoff: 00:20:20

maybe in this coming year at a festival.

Ian: 00:20:22

Yeah.

Ian: 00:20:22

Or on set,

Ian: 00:20:23

hopefully.

Geoff: 00:20:24

Yeah, that'd be cool.