Set Shepherds: Nurturing Film Crews with Kevin Bouren

Jaclyn: 00:00:00

To the Faith and Family Filmmakers Podcast.

Jaclyn: 00:00:02

Geoff and I are speaking with Kevin Boren today and we want to learn about set shepherds.

Jaclyn: 00:00:07

So in our previous interview, you shared that when you were on set, with, Aaron Burns and I think Stephen Kendrick and some other people, that they said that you're background in the military would be useful on set.

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And at first I was thinking how in the world would that correlate?

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But then I started to realize the organization, the leadership skills, and I'm sure there's even more than that.

Jaclyn: 00:00:31

So can you, Share some of the things that you have found were those transferable skills, and then how you got into Set Shepherds, just tell us all about that.

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Absolutely.

Kevin: 00:00:43

Yeah, it was fascinating for me to hear Stephen Kendrick and Aaron mention that my military background would be useful on a set.

Kevin: 00:00:52

And it was actually on the heels of me doing that morning devotional where I was just talking about our passion for Jesus Christ.

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And how we need to be a people who are praying fervently just as we're commanded to in 1st Thessalonians where Paul is telling us He says that we're to pray continually.

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We rejoice always pray continually and to give thanks in all circumstances For this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus I actually call that our spiritual RPG and that was the morning devotional message that I was giving was 1st Thessalonians.

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The RPG is a rocket propelled grenade that we use, you know, are enemies use in combat.

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And I was reading that scripture in first Thessalonians five, one morning, and God just really impressed on my heart that I have a spiritual RPG.

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the R is rejoice.

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Always the P is pray continually.

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And the G is give thanks in all circumstances.

Jaclyn: 00:01:43

Mm,

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and God just really illuminated that on the pages of scripture and said, your spiritual RPG, this is my will for you.

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It says in verse, 18 of chapter five.

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And that's God's will for us in Christ Jesus.

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And after we were done talking, we're sitting at lunch and we're having good conversations on the set.

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And they were asking me about things I've done in the military and commanding troops in combat, being out in Iraq.

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and I just talked about how I was a mayor of 40, 000 Iraqi citizens in Baghdad.

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Uh, and so I was having to, you know, solve a lot of problems for the people and get resources.

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And Stephen says to me, Kevin, That's what producers do.

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We solve problems and we get resources.

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And, uh, he said, and you've done that at some pretty high levels with a lot of danger surrounding you, bullets flying a lot of, you know, just weightiness to the task.

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And, you know, you could really experience some of those things on a movie set, but without the bullets.

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And I told him in that morning devotional, I said, you know, having been here on set for a day, I've already observed.

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set is not dissimilar to a military, complex military operation.

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the main difference is you don't have real bullets flying around.

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Otherwise, you've got chaos, you've got timing, you've got resources, you've got a lot of logistics, you've got a lot of coordination.

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You have all these different departments.

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You're trying to get a lot of people with different tasks, but all aligned on a common vision.

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Wanting to move in the same direction and all of that made sense to me.

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So when they started planting this seed with me about being a producer, I thought, yeah, I guess that it really does make sense.

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And then I'm watching what the producers are doing when we were on life mark.

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And then we went on legacy peak and we also got to go and visit two other sets in that period.

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And on those sets, I was just watching what the producers are doing and I'm going, man, this is really fascinating how.

Kevin: 00:03:35

there are a lot of skill sets, like you mentioned, leadership, managing people, solving problems, putting out fires.

Kevin: 00:03:42

and so that was something that just generated a good conversation between Aaron and me when we were on legacy peak in the fall of 2021, where he said, you know, I could really use someone with your level of experience with leadership and solving problems because as a director, I need to focus on getting the movie made and just knowing that I'd have someone on the team who can get things done and solve problems, but do it with a heart for Christ that's going to build the team, not tear them

Jaclyn: 00:04:14

hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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that's going to solve the problem, not make it worse.

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He said, Kevin, I just would love to leverage that background that you have on a movie set.

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And so again, the rest is history.

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I didn't know I was going to be out of the military, but when it happened, I thought, okay, those, those skills that I had in the military really did I was able to bring them to bear on the movie set in a very profound way that I never realized.

Jaclyn: 00:04:40

I bet.

Jaclyn: 00:04:40

Yeah, because even in the military and you know, as a producer, when you are in a position of leadership, you know, the buck stops here, right?

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Like I am the one that is responsible at the end of the day if I am the one in that position.

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and so there can't be any blaming anybody else if something goes wrong.

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It's like, no, that's my role, my responsibility.

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And yeah, I can see how that correlates and having that attitude, to be able to carry that.

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it's so beneficial.

Kevin: 00:05:07

Yeah, I was

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just going to add my second half of my career was in human resources where I did a lot of recruiting and talent maximization, talent management.

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I like to call it talent maximization.

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And again, producers trying to find crew members, trying to find volunteers, leading those large, diverse, Organizations of skill sets and different people, different, uh, motives and agendas, bringing all that kind of experience to bear on a set is something that I found very natural for me to walk into because human beings are human beings, whether they wear a military uniform or not, it's still dealing with the human dimension of the human mind, the human will, the human emotion.

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And so a lot of those things are just crossover right into film.

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And I find it to be very invigorating.

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What I get to

Jaclyn: 00:05:55

Mm hmm.

Geoff: 00:05:57

so am I correct then thinking that your role as producer or co producer on these movies and your role as Set Shepard, your role as producer is not limited to being Set Shepard, is that correct?

Kevin: 00:06:08

That is correct.

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So the way that I pitch this, when I'm talking to all of our new teammates that will come onto a movie set and this, I want to give credit to Aaron Burns for the vision he had for this, because Aaron has been a producer for the Kendrick since the movie war room.

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And he has been able to observe firsthand on the Kendrick brother sets, A dynamic where you've got Steven Kendrick, who he has a pastor's heart.

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I mean, he was a pastor.

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He and Alex were both associate pastors when they started in film.

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So you can't take that shepherding heart out of Alex and Steven.

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But Steven's also having to learn over the years, he's had to learn about what does it mean to be a producer on set.

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So, Steven has this beautiful mix of being a shepherd.

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And also being a producer and being a leader who's solving problems and getting things done.

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So Aaron is witnessing that.

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And he's realizing when I become a director, I need a Stephen Kendrick on my set.

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and what he told me is he says, Kevin, I'm seeing a lot of the similar attributes that I appreciate about Stephen.

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I see those in you and I can't have Stephen Kendrick on my set as a producer.

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So I would like to have you on my set to kind of serve in that capacity.

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So when I came on to Birthright Outlaw.

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In that dual hat capacity, I told Aaron and I tell the team in my role as the co producer, I serve as the first point of contact at the executive leader level for the cast and crew if they encounter a problem or a situation that cannot be solved at the department level.

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So if you're a grip and you've got some issue that's going on and you can't get it solved with the key grip.

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Then bring that problem to me.

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Don't go to our lead producer, which in that case was David Cook on Birthright Outlaw and don't go to the director, Aaron Burns, cause he's trying to get the movie made.

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I'm going to serve as that first point of contact to try to solve the problem.

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And Aaron and David entrusted that responsibility to me and said, we would love for you to solve as many of those problems as possible our co producer.

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And then, Because I'm the set shepherd in that dual hat capacity, I was told by several of our key department heads.

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I found this interesting.

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I was told this on both Birthright Outlaw and on The Forge, which is the movie that I served as co producer and set chaplain last summer of 2023, that'll come out in theaters in August.

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And these key members told me, they said, when we see you coming to us, Knowing you're one of the producers, normally department heads say when they see a producer, it's usually producers come in to, you know, tell them to do more with less or, hey, I need you to cut your budget here.

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Or, you know, they're maybe asking them for something, but when they see me.

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they said, you're actually coming to give us something.

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Cause what I would do is I'd walk up and I'd say, Hey, how can I pray for you?

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Do you have any challenges that you have right now that I can help take off your plate?

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And I do the same thing with Aaron and with David as the director and the producers.

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I say, Hey, are there any hairy problems you're dealing with that I can take on for you?

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And just to give an example on Birthright Outlaw, we had to get the entire company, moved into the bottom of a sand quarry that had been abandoned for 11 years.

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And we had to get a 26 ton crane down into this and there's not a road and there's no way to get down into the sand quarry.

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So they were able to hand off this big hairy problem.

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And again, they weren't completely divorced from the issue at all.

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I mean, they were, aware of it and they're helping provide other leadership and resources in it.

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But I had the lead on making this thing happen and working with our team to get it done.

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They said, Hey, we're trying to shoot all of our interior scenes on the sound stages.

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This week, because next week we're going to be shooting all the exterior scenes out in that sand quarry.

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So while they're all doing the interior scenes, I'm out there with the team.

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We've got volunteers.

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We've got some other local hires that we brought in and I'm trying to resource.

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The team that's going to build this road, that's going to go down into the bottom of the sand quarry so we can get the whole company in there to shoot the movie.

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And that was just a example of something I could take off the director's plate, take off the producer's plate so they could focus on the myriad other tasks that they have to accomplish.

Jaclyn: 00:10:23

Wow.

Geoff: 00:10:24

let's go a little bit deeper.

Geoff: 00:10:25

You already touched on what you have done as a set chaplain, but let's go deeper into that.

Geoff: 00:10:30

as a set shepherd, what's the entirety of what you do?

Kevin: 00:10:33

So the, the essence of that, and this is what I tell them again, when I introduce them and I say, get the honor of serving as your co producer and as your set chaplain, my co producer role, I'm that first point of contact.

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And I'm going to solve problems in my set chaplain role.

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It's my.

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Responsibility, primary responsibility to make sure that the director and producer who love you a lot and who brought you onto this team, I'm going to make sure that their vision that you're cared for is going to happen because we want to make sure you feel loved, treasured, valued, honored, and respected.

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As the amazing man or woman that God created you to be.

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And that's how I introduced myself, shake, their hand.

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And then I asked him, how can I pray for you?

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And my desire is to pray for every member of our team, whether they're a Christian or not, I want to pray over them as they come onto the team and ask that the Lord would bless them with good health, with strength, with vitality, with creativity, with wisdom.

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And then, you know, I'm leading morning devotionals for the cast and crew, or I'm coordinating to have someone come and lead a morning devotional, because sometimes we'll have guests come in and lead those morning devotionals.

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And then all through the day, I get to minister to the team and I can do marriage counseling.

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Uh, I can sit down with folks with personal counseling.

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I'm helping them with, we had one of our crew members on the set of the forge who had had a break in.

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It is property back in his home in Atlanta.

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And I mean, his mind was so distracted that morning because someone broke into his apartment while he's on set with us down in Southwest Georgia.

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And just again, another example of a crew member who's in a bit of a personal crisis and being able to hear their heart.

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Pray with them, give them a hug, let them know that we care about what's going on there.

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And then, Hey, what can we do to facilitate?

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Do you need to take time off to go and handle this situation?

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And, you know, let me go and resource.

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Someone else to cover down for you so you can go get this taken care of.

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And those are the kinds of situations that I find regularly on a movie set where I'm, I'm helping solve those problems, keeping it off of the director's plate, off of the lead producer's plate.

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And then we have a huddle, daily where I can, kind of give a back brief to the other executive leadership team and just say, Hey, here are some of the things going on.

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you know, nothing for you to do.

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I'm taking care of it.

Kevin: 00:12:51

well, let's pray for them.

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And you know what?

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When you're serving a director and producer who love the Lord and who genuinely want the best for their team, they're eager to jump into that prayer with me so we can pray together for the cast and crew.

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So whether I'm advising the director, And providing counsel to him and praying over him and praying for his marriage and his family or ministering to the cast and crew.

Kevin: 00:13:14

that's where a set shepherd, our heart is that we want to, we all say that Christ is preeminent and here's the thing, how is that manifesting itself

Jaclyn: 00:13:25

Yeah, exactly.

Kevin: 00:13:26

because I don't have to declare that Christ is preeminent.

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He is.

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He's already preeminent.

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So what does that look like on our set?

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Well, it should saturate our set with an environment where people are feeling loved and valued and respected.

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And if there's a disagreement or even in the cases where we've had to fire people, which that's happened on every set I've been on, we've had to fire people, but we can do that in a way that shepherds their heart.

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And lets them know that this is not a personal, we don't hate you, that just, this is a distraction right now.

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And what's going to be the best for the team and the best for you is that we're going to have to part ways, but we want to do that in a way where we're going to pray over you.

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We're going to ask the Lord to bless you and we want you to be encouraged and we want our friendship to still remain because this isn't us just, you know, casting you out and rejecting you.

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It's acknowledging that there's something we're going to have to deal with.

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And sometimes those are hard conversations, but we do it in love, with a genuine spirit of love.

Jaclyn: 00:14:25

Wow.

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You know, there's so many times, when we set out to do something that not only serves the Lord, but it serves to expand the kingdom of heaven and bring in new believers and strengthen believers, you know, that's, the enemy doesn't necessarily like that.

Jaclyn: 00:14:40

So, uh, there's been a lot of times that I've experienced also, Where when you pursue that, that's where a lot of friction comes in.

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That's where, you know, the enemy that has been, saving up for a rainy day, whatever attack he's got, you know, that's where it's all going to come out.

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And so having a set shepherd to not only help to support the director and producer and, the crew and keep everybody, going with what they need, but to be able to also recognize like we have human lives, we have spiritual lives, like all of this is happening right now and to check in with people to see like, is there anything you need prayer for?

Jaclyn: 00:15:18

Because if these attacks are coming, I, do truly believe that secrecy is the enemy's playground.

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And when we don't open up and share to people the things that we're dealing with, it just gives more leverage to the enemy to continue in that pursuit.

Jaclyn: 00:15:34

So I love that you check in with people, you pray with people, you counsel people.

Jaclyn: 00:15:39

It's so needed.

Kevin: 00:15:40

Well, and even before we start shooting, we communicate to everyone, expect warfare , expect opposition, because remember this film set, it's a faith based film.

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We're going to proclaim Christ.

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The enemy hates what we're doing, and he's going to unleash.

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His attacks against us.

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So we need to expect that.

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And it just, it requires, it demands that we are praying fervently.

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And I think and it could be the smallest thing

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when we were on my son, my son was directing his film Ember and we had a situation where we had done the first angle of a particular scene and we had cloud cover.

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But then when we reset the cameras for the other angle, all the clouds were gone and it was just bright sunshine.

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And we're thinking, Oh man, this is going to be so difficult to get all this to match.

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So we just stopped right there.

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And my son is the director.

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He's, you know, I was serving as the first assistant director and as the producer and as a set chaplain for his short film.

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And he said, well, Hey dad, with your set chaplain hat on, would you please just pray for us?

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Cause we need, some cloud cover.

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And I mean, there was not a cloud in sight.

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And we all just gathered as a crew and we prayed because I said, Hey guys, I don't see any clouds, but you know what?

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I know the God of the wind and the rain.

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I know the God who actually marches every star out in the skies at night and who crashes every wave that crashes on the shore.

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That's my God.

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We need to pray to him because he, can bring cloud cover.

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And you know what?

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God became our gaffer that day.

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he brought in a cloud.

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We said, amen.

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And I'm not kidding.

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Two minutes later, we had cloud cover to shoot.

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I think we did four or five takes on this particular scene.

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That cloud cover was there through every take.

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And then as soon as we cut and said, we're moving on to the next scene, The cloud went away.

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And we had multiple members of the crew just come to me.

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we had a time of testimony at the end of our shoot and they said that impacted them more deeply than anything they'd ever experienced on a film set was, wow, you know what?

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We can even pray for clouds.

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And that is the heart that we want to bring as set shepherds onto a set is, hey, listen, we believe Christ is preeminent.

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And so that should manifest itself here in Myriad ways.

Kevin: 00:17:49

And we need to be doing that all the time.

Jaclyn: 00:17:51

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:17:52

Amen.

Geoff: 00:17:52

obviously makes for an amazing set.

Geoff: 00:17:54

Um, let's talk about your organization specifically, Set Shepherds.

Kevin: 00:17:57

Okay.

Geoff: 00:17:58

tell us where it fits in, how people can, make use of it and what you can do for them.

Kevin: 00:18:03

Yeah.

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if you go to our website, www.

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setshepherds.

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com, you can learn more about what this ministry is and my ministry partner, Ed, I mentioned him in the first episode, Ed Griffin Hagen.

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was on Birthright Outlaw he was cast as one of the extras.

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And we had him on the set and his house was across the street, as I had mentioned before, because we were shooting on the same sound stages where they shot Life Mark.

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And so we were in there and Ed comes over.

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And while he was observing me in this role as a co producer and set chaplain, I went to his house for dinner one night and he pitched the idea of set shepherds.

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That was the name he had come up with.

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He said, Kevin, I have this idea called set shepherds.

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And he said, basically, it's what you're doing where you serve in this dual hat capacity.

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Where you've got standing in the eyes of the crew because you're a producer and you're actually solving problems, putting out fires, you're providing leadership, but you're also ministering to the team.

Kevin: 00:19:01

And Ed came from a business background and then he's now been a pastor for several years.

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And so, He pitched this idea and it really impacted me.

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And so both of us decided we wanted to start it as a nonprofit ministry.

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And that's because we know that in the faith based industry, we're dealing with limited budgets and not everybody can afford to hire a full time producer level team member.

Kevin: 00:19:24

And so we wanted to have the nonprofit side of it so that there are some films where they can afford to hire us at a producer level and pay us.

Kevin: 00:19:32

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:19:32

Now, others are like, well, we're limited on our budget.

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So we wanted the nonprofit side of this to be able to cover the gap.

Kevin: 00:19:38

But that's a conversation we'll have with the director, with the lead producer, as they're kind of doing that pre production trying to figure out, Hey, what do we want to do?

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How do we want to build the team?

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So if one of us can come.

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physically serve on the set.

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That's one way.

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But we also know there's over a hundred faith based media productions being done every year, and we can't possibly do all of those.

Kevin: 00:20:00

So the other thing that we have now started wading into is kind of being a consultant.

Kevin: 00:20:06

So let's say, for example, Geoff, you're a director and you have your film idea and you're building out your team and you say, Hey, I've got this really great guy, you know, Bob, Who has a heart for the Lord, has some experience in film, and I'd really love for him to kind of serve in this capacity as a set shepherd idea, then we'll get on the phone with Bob.

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Or if they're local and we can get in person and we can talk to them about some best practices.

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Here are some things that we do.

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This is what it looks like on a set.

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Here's how you can make sure you're an asset, not a liability.

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And we can walk them through just some good tips on how to be the most effective.

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Co producer, set chaplain that they possibly can, so that we can kind of multiply ourselves in that kind of a context, since we can't physically be on the set all the time.

Kevin: 00:20:56

So those are kind of the two big ways that, you know, so if people are interested in kind of, you know, partnering with us, they can just go onto our website.

Kevin: 00:21:03

You'll see on there, uh, we've got info at set shepherds.

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com.

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That'll go to both me and Ed.

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Or you can reach out directly to me, Kevin at set shepherds.

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com and then we can have that conversation and we can talk more about what it is that they're interested in and how we might be able to support you.

Geoff: 00:21:20

So, Kevin, before we wind up, let's talk about some of these movies that you've already mentioned, the ones you've been involved in.

Geoff: 00:21:25

Are they available to be seen?

Geoff: 00:21:27

Birthright Outlaw, Legacy Peak, for example.

Kevin: 00:21:30

Yes.

Kevin: 00:21:30

So Birthright Outlaw and Legacy Peak are both available on pureflix.

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com.

Kevin: 00:21:36

if your listeners aren't, familiar with PureFlix, it's like Netflix, but it's all family friendly programming and it's a live stream platform.

Kevin: 00:21:43

So you can go on there and you know, you can subscribe monthly or annually and you'll be able to see Birthright Outlaw and PureFlix.

Kevin: 00:21:50

Um, Legacy Peak on there.

Kevin: 00:21:52

They also have Legacy Peak on DVD, so they can order that online.

Kevin: 00:21:56

and then the movie Ember is my son's first film that he directed short film that, uh, we were so grateful to the Lord that, he won a runner up for best actor.

Kevin: 00:22:07

young filmmaker at the Christian worldview film festival this year with the movie Ember.

Kevin: 00:22:11

And we had a wonderful time shooting that right on the heels of the forge.

Kevin: 00:22:16

So you can see Ember on YouTube.

Kevin: 00:22:18

If they just go to my son's YouTube channel, which is at Brady Boren, all one word, B R A D Y, same last name as me, B O U R E N.

Kevin: 00:22:28

So at Brady Boren, they'll be able to see Ember on his YouTube channel.

Kevin: 00:22:32

And then, the forge.

Kevin: 00:22:34

was our most recent project that we did, feature film, and that comes out in theaters nationwide August 23rd, and we're super excited about that.

Kevin: 00:22:43

That's the Kendrick Brothers eighth feature film, the Boren family's second feature film, we're very excited.

Kevin: 00:22:50

about that one.

Kevin: 00:22:51

And again, that one will be seen in theaters nationwide.

Kevin: 00:22:54

And there's, if it's not in a theater near you, you can go onto theforgemovie.

Kevin: 00:22:59

com and there's a way that you can ask for a special screening, like for your church, or if you have a larger gathering, you can get a special screening of that in your hometown.

Kevin: 00:23:09

So a lot of different ways that they can see that.

Kevin: 00:23:11

But yeah, thank you for asking that.

Jaclyn: 00:23:13

That's exciting.

Jaclyn: 00:23:14

All right.

Jaclyn: 00:23:15

So as we finish up here, I would actually like to ask you to pray for our listeners.

Geoff: 00:23:20

Yes.

Kevin: 00:23:21

I would love to.

Kevin: 00:23:22

Let's pray.

Kevin: 00:23:24

Father God, what a joy and a blessing to be a part of your kingdom work on this earth.

Kevin: 00:23:31

God, you are holy, you are righteous, trustworthy, and faithful.

Kevin: 00:23:35

You're sovereign over all things.

Kevin: 00:23:38

Father, even as we've recounted stories of your faithfulness during this interview, we're reminded, God, that you are the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Kevin: 00:23:47

And we're excited that there's no person who is listening to this podcast that's doing so by accident.

Kevin: 00:23:53

God, you sovereignly purposed before the foundation of the world was even laid that each person who's hearing my voice right now would hear this podcast.

Kevin: 00:24:04

And Lord, we ask that it would penetrate their hearts, that they would first and foremost understand and recognize the depth of their need for you.

Kevin: 00:24:13

Father God, and to have Jesus as their savior and their Lord.

Kevin: 00:24:18

And Lord, I just ask that if there are any filmmakers, in this audience that are anxious or are feeling downtrodden, maybe feeling like things have not been going well.

Kevin: 00:24:29

I know it's a difficult economy right now.

Kevin: 00:24:31

There's a lot of work that is lacking out there.

Kevin: 00:24:34

And I know there are a lot of people who are looking for opportunities.

Kevin: 00:24:37

Father, I just ask in your grace, That you would be kind and gracious to these listeners and help them to see that you have not left them.

Kevin: 00:24:46

You've not forsaken them.

Kevin: 00:24:48

That you are the God who delights as a father in giving good gifts to your children.

Kevin: 00:24:52

And Lord, I just pray that you would help all of us be able to surrender our will to yours and to follow closely wherever you lead.

Kevin: 00:25:01

And Lord, I just ask that you would provide opportunities for us as the body of Christ to continue to proclaim the name of Christ.

Kevin: 00:25:09

Through this wonderful medium of film, Lord, we know that this is a powerful storytelling mechanism where we can communicate deep, rich truths from your word, and that we can communicate the gospel to this lost and hurting world.

Kevin: 00:25:25

And Lord, I just pray that you'll raise up many more.

Kevin: 00:25:28

Filmmakers who have a heart to make Christ known in this world and that their products these projects They work on would be Christ exalting spirit filled God glorifying endeavors That will advance your kingdom here on this earth and we thank you that we get to partner with you Lord in doing that and I thank you for Geoff and Jaclyn and their ministry here with this podcast.

Kevin: 00:25:53

Lord, may it continue to reach the far corners of the world and all to exalt Jesus Christ.

Kevin: 00:25:59

And we ask all this in the powerful matchless name of Jesus.

Kevin: 00:26:03

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:26:03

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:26:04

Thank you so much.

Kevin: 00:26:06

You're welcome.

Kevin: 00:26:06

Thank you.

Jaclyn: 00:26:07

We

Jaclyn: 00:26:07

really appreciate getting to know you.

Kevin: 00:26:09

Likewise.

Geoff: 00:26:10

Thank you so much for your time today, Kevin.

Geoff: 00:26:11

It's been a pleasure.

Geoff: 00:26:13

And, just hearing your heart and, uh, hearing what a set should be like.

Kevin: 00:26:17

Amen.

Kevin: 00:26:18

Truly an honor to be with you.

Geoff: 00:26:19

God bless

Jaclyn: 00:26:20

God

Jaclyn: 00:26:20

bless.

Kevin: 00:26:20

God bless you.

Kevin: 00:26:21

Bye bye.