Mental Health Advocacy in Filmmaking

Jaclyn: 00:00:00

welcome to the Faith and Family Filmmakers Podcast.

Jaclyn: 00:00:02

I'm Jaclyn, and today I am with Ron and Debra Moore, and I'm so excited to dive into this second episode with them.

Jaclyn: 00:00:09

Debra, let's start with you.

Jaclyn: 00:00:11

Um, I know we had a lot of fun in the first episode, joking around, just, you know, having a lot of fun.

Jaclyn: 00:00:17

Um, but what I've noticed is people that have a great sense of humor.

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have often also gone through some great trials in their life.

Jaclyn: 00:00:27

And so I want to talk to you about your biopic.

Jaclyn: 00:00:30

Um, what made you decide to write a biopic?

Debra: 00:00:36

Well, thank you for asking me, Jaclyn, and thank you for having us back on your show.

Debra: 00:00:42

I absolutely love Faith and Family Filmmakers podcast, and we're honored to be here, for sure.

Debra: 00:00:50

Um, especially with the international flair that you're giving us today.

Debra: 00:00:55

Thank you for that.

Debra: 00:00:55

Thank you.

Debra: 00:00:57

But anyway, um, You know, I have survived a triple homicide suicide fire attempt.

Debra: 00:01:09

And not many people can say that.

Jaclyn: 00:01:12

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:01:13

No, please explain.

Debra: 00:01:14

I mean, when you watch the evening news, or like we used to watch the evening news, or you read the newspaper, or wherever you get your news from now, which is in incredibly many places, um, it talks about domestic violence, it talks about mental health issues, it talks about mothers that kill their children, and that was me, I was a seven year old girl, and my brother was a five year old boy.

Debra: 00:01:39

My mother was a young mother, but she had She had had me, she had my brother, she had a miscarriage, and then she had postpartum depression that was unseen, unnoticed, undiagnosed.

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Her and my father started having some relationship issues, and she decided that the best thing to do would be to take us to heaven.

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And that's all she could come up with to make things better.

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And she came to me one day and she said, Debbie, do you want to go to heaven?

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And I had been to Sunday school and I said, absolutely.

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I want to go to heaven.

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I think heaven's an awesome place.

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And I said, can I take my dolls?

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And she's like, sure, you can take your doll.

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And I'm like, okay, let's go.

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And not knowing that within days she would put a sign up in our home on one of the windows that said, I have a, I have children in here.

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I will shoot if you come in.

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She had sent my father's family in Philadelphia, because this was in Florida.

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She had sent my father's family in Philadelphia a bereavement bouquet that said, Alan, I'm so sorry, your wife and kids are dead.

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And she took me and my brother, I guess the police did come, and she heard them.

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She took me and my brother into our parents bedroom on our bed, put towels over our head, and shot both of us at close range.

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In the back, the bullet goes 710 miles an hour into your back.

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She shot me three times, shot my brother three times, she shot herself in the head, and somehow managed to start a fire before that.

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And the house was on fire,

Ron: 00:03:14

which I just found out

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from my cousin, my first cousin that told me she'd read an article about that.

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And Jaclyn, nobody,

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nobody died.

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And everybody says, where's God in a disaster like this, in a tragedy like this, where, where God was was right on my back and right on my brother's back and right on my mom's head and right on that burning home.

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And he protected us.

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His angels were there redirecting the bullets just nano millimeters, just, just enough that nobody's organs got shot and she didn't shoot straight into her head and she didn't, you know, completely kill herself or, I mean, and it was just a miracle.

Debra: 00:04:03

It was an absolute miracle.

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And I want to give thanks to God for my life.

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I want to, I still have a bullet that's too close to my spine to be removed from that day.

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I want to give thanks to God and Jesus that I can walk, and I believe that I'm a walking miracle

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But I will tell you, it is not enough to be a walking miracle.

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You have to be a talking miracle,

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and if you have a testimony and you have a situation where God has clearly intervened, you have to tell someone.

Debra: 00:04:40

And so that's why my whole life.

Debra: 00:04:42

It from there got successfully worse and we went to live with our, uh, maternal grandmother who was partially the reason for some of my mother's mental illness, to be honest,

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having undiagnosed schizophrenia herself with very severe health problems like heart disease and cancer and terrible things.

Debra: 00:05:04

And that can all bring about a mental health issue is what I found out later.

Debra: 00:05:09

And so, we went from the frying pan, literally, into the, literally, another fire.

Debra: 00:05:15

And, she was very mean, she was very hateful.

Debra: 00:05:18

My grandfather had just died.

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She was incredibly abusive.

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She would just pack us up suddenly and send us to the orphanage.

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And we'd just go to the orphanage and there was nothing we could do about it because we were 8, 9, 10 years old.

Debra: 00:05:29

There's nothing you can do

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about that.

Jaclyn: 00:05:31

Yeah.

Debra: 00:05:32

But I will tell you that the Lord used the orphanage.

Debra: 00:05:37

Because at the orphanage, I was so happy.

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I was able to be a little girl.

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I was able to have friends.

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I was able to have fun.

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I was, I went to the roller skating rink.

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I got to bake cookies and I got to have a house mother that was certainly not abusive in any way to

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us girls.

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And God just showed me there is people in the world.

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There are people in the world that will treat you good.

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You have not met many of them yet, but keep that hope in your heart.

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Keep that hope in your heart if you're abused, if you're a child that's been abused, or you're an adult that has been abused, or you're an abusive marriage, or you're an adult child who was abused by their parents.

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Keep that hope in your life that Jesus has Can come into your life and give you hope.

Debra: 00:06:28

That's what happened for me.

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I was a little 8-year-old girl walking down the aisle of a little white church house in Coleman, Alabama saying they're like, Jesus can help you.

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Jesus can love you.

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Ask Jesus into your heart.

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I'm like, dude.

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My mom and dad have dipped out on me, and the people that were taking care of me before this are equally as bad.

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I need Jesus worse than anybody, and I was reasoning this out as an 8 year old girl,

Jaclyn: 00:06:54

Yeah, yeah.

Debra: 00:06:55

and I did.

Debra: 00:06:56

I asked Jesus into my heart, and it had an eternal impact on me?

Jaclyn: 00:07:01

Mm. Amen.

Debra: 00:07:03

And was I shepherded?

Debra: 00:07:06

No.

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Did I get spiritual guidance after that from anyone?

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Mentoring?

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No.

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But was Jesus firmly and securely in my heart?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Yes, ma'am.

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And I can tell you that right now, that after that, I was still placed in very, very difficult positions, but I had, like we talked about in the first segment, the Holy Spirit.

Debra: 00:07:33

And the Holy Spirit is so, was so pivotal in my life.

Debra: 00:07:39

And I want to bring that out in this biopic.

Debra: 00:07:43

I want to say it has an eternal perspective,

Debra: 00:07:48

your tragedy and your testimony and your walking, talking miracle out there.

Debra: 00:07:53

Yeah.

Debra: 00:07:53

You know who I'm talking to.

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I'm talking to you.

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The one that has gone through terrible, terrible things and suffering and tragedy, your testimony.

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has eternal consequences for other people!

Jaclyn: 00:08:07

Mm hmm.

Jaclyn: 00:08:08

Amen.

Debra: 00:08:09

And I want to bring that out in this movie.

Debra: 00:08:11

I want to bring out that we are only here after speaking with you about the script.

Debra: 00:08:18

It just struck me.

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I even wanted to change the title of it as obviously every script has a working title until

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you sign on the dotted line,

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right?

Jaclyn: 00:08:26

right.

Debra: 00:08:28

But I I wanted to change the name of the script to A Shot at Eternity

Jaclyn: 00:08:34

Oh, wow.

Debra: 00:08:35

Because that's what it gave me I mean, yes, I believe children go to heaven but my mother was also not taken.

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that's what, it is for me.

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It gives me a shot at eternity.

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And then it gives me a shot at asking other people to join me on my way to eternity.

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Why?

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Because I'm alive and I should be dead.

Debra: 00:09:01

It's like, I'm a voice from the other side here.

Jaclyn: 00:09:05

And what do you, what do you want?

Jaclyn: 00:09:07

viewers to get out of it.

Jaclyn: 00:09:08

I understand like, um, definitely there's that piece of, you know what, I also have a testimony that I want to share, uh, but what do you want viewers, let's say if they're not even believers, what would you want them to get out of it?

Debra: 00:09:22

Well, the main thing that the Lord taught me, Jaclyn, is I grew up as an abused child, as an orphan.

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And I considered God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, my family, my mother, my father, my, my family.

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But I also had to deal with my human relationships to move on with my life.

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And I never received any counseling.

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I never received any trauma counseling.

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I never received anything, really.

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but I got into women's Bible study later in my life and I realized it's my responsibility to forgive.

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It's my responsibility to forgive my mother.

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It's my responsibility to forgive my father.

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It's my responsibility to forgive my grandmother.

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It's my responsibility on my end to get the people off of my hate bus and say, I forgive you.

Debra: 00:10:20

And you will never hear me to say anything negative about my mother, my father, my grandmother, other than the exact reality that happened.

Debra: 00:10:31

I will not extrapolate an adjectives because I have forgiven them.

Jaclyn: 00:10:36

Mm. Amen.

Debra: 00:10:38

And Lord also gave me an incredible education in mental health, which I then knew exactly why she did the things she did.

Debra: 00:10:47

And now I can, I'm a mental health advocate.

Debra: 00:10:50

As you said, I'm a mental health advocate.

Debra: 00:10:54

And for 10 years at my church, we taught, NAMI family to family classes.

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NAMI is National Alliance of Mental Illness.

Debra: 00:11:02

We had over 500 families come through our classes at our church in

Jaclyn: 00:11:06

Wow.

Debra: 00:11:08

and they received healing.

Debra: 00:11:10

Jaclyn?

Debra: 00:11:11

They received hope.

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Their loved ones got into mental illness recovery.

Debra: 00:11:18

We had a young man who was setting himself on fire.

Debra: 00:11:21

He was in such a terrible position mentally, and after a 12 week class with his mother and father, he received counseling, he received inpatient care, he received prayer, he received, um, a different perspective from his parents, a perspective of compassion and empathy rather than disdain and judgment, which is the upside down forgiveness of Christ.

Debra: 00:11:46

And he was clothed and in his right mind.

Debra: 00:11:48

And right now he's somewhere in Kansas on the family farm, helping them operate the farm.

Jaclyn: 00:11:54

Awesome.

Jaclyn: 00:11:55

That's amazing.

Jaclyn: 00:11:56

Yes!

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Amazing.

Jaclyn: 00:11:59

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:12:00

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:12:00

And actually I find, um, mental health is one of those things.

Jaclyn: 00:12:04

I think we need to talk about more in the church.

Jaclyn: 00:12:07

I think there was kind of this separation of anything medical we don't touch unless we're like, okay, pray for a miracle.

Jaclyn: 00:12:12

But then, you know, we don't necessarily want to get deeper into it.

Jaclyn: 00:12:16

Uh, but I, think, you know, like when you said mental health recovery, I don't know how many people know that that is actually a thing, you know,

Debra: 00:12:26

Exactly.

Debra: 00:12:27

And, And, when my mother had mental health issues, Of course, after what she did, she went straight into what they call, used to call an insane asylum, lock up, lock up.

Debra: 00:12:39

And then, you know, they didn't try to help her.

Debra: 00:12:43

They basically gave her electroshock, um, which I guess was their attempt to help her.

Debra: 00:12:49

But what she needed was she needed the holistic person, the spiritual person, the physical person, the emotional person, counseling, prayer.

Debra: 00:12:59

She needed godly counsel and prayer, but she also needed psychiatric counsel and prayer at the same time.

Debra: 00:13:06

It's just like having a comorbid, uh, situation where you have a mental health issue and you have an addiction problem.

Jaclyn: 00:13:13

Right.

Debra: 00:13:14

to get help for both at the same time for it to be successful.

Debra: 00:13:17

And I have seen my own loved ones that have mental health issues go into mental health recovery because the Lord that I prayed for them, they received proper care and now they're enjoying mental health recovery.

Debra: 00:13:33

And mental health recovery means you're not in a psychosis.

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You are in your right mind.

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You are living the best life you can live for yourself.

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You can have a healthy Independence or you can have a healthy interdependence on your family or your caregivers either way, but you're Recovered

Debra: 00:13:53

and that's what we have to ask the Lord for we ask the Lord for healing in every other thing, right?

Debra: 00:13:59

We ask the Jehovah Rapha.

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Please heal my My broken leg.

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Please heal my asthma.

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Please heal my

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cancer.

Debra: 00:14:06

How about

Debra: 00:14:06

my brain?

Debra: 00:14:07

The largest organ on the spinal column?

Debra: 00:14:10

The brain.

Jaclyn: 00:14:11

Mm hmm.

Jaclyn: 00:14:13

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:14:14

Well, that's

Jaclyn: 00:14:14

amazing.

Jaclyn: 00:14:15

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:14:15

And I think like, I love when we get to share stories where God is Because, I mean, being an invisible, entity, we can't actually see him, so it's very, very difficult to be able to tell stories where he is the hero.

Jaclyn: 00:14:30

But when it comes to real life stories where we can actually show the evidence of him operating in our lives.

Jaclyn: 00:14:38

Like, I love when we get to see stories like that.

Jaclyn: 00:14:41

Um, but I want to also, hear about some of Ron's projects.

Jaclyn: 00:14:45

And so, for example, um, could you tell me more about the survivors in the game of life?

Jaclyn: 00:14:50

What exactly is that about?

Debra: 00:14:52

well, let me Preface it by saying God has a sense of humor.

Debra: 00:14:57

Okay

Jaclyn: 00:14:58

he does.

Jaclyn: 00:14:58

Yes.

Debra: 00:14:59

Because he brought the man, Ron, the ruggedly handsome man, Ron, who's right.

Debra: 00:15:06

You're right, Ron.

Debra: 00:15:07

He loves to hear that.

Debra: 00:15:09

But anyway.

Debra: 00:15:09

My

Ron: 00:15:09

old TV co host said that.

Ron: 00:15:11

I told her right up front if she'd just have that attitude, we'd always get along.

Debra: 00:15:16

He brought Ron Moore into my life, and I was hesitant to tell him about my past.

Debra: 00:15:23

Can you understand that?

Jaclyn: 00:15:24

Of course.

Debra: 00:15:25

But once I had told him about my past, he jumped in with both feet and both hands and all of his heart, soul, and mind, because he thought, she's a survivor in the game of life!

Debra: 00:15:39

And

Ron: 00:15:43

Well, it was really brought about the television show that I was doing.

Ron: 00:15:47

Uh, I was asked to be on there when I was, the K-Love guy in Oklahoma city.

Ron: 00:15:51

Um, it was, uh, just a little low budget, no budget show, but went out to most of the state of Oklahoma.

Ron: 00:15:57

But it was during that time that God began to deal with me that most people just need to be encouraged, you know, and, and it's how I can stay in a battle, So, survivors in the game of life.

Ron: 00:16:08

focuses on people who've been on the verge of disaster with their marriage, their health, their finances, their careers, or with their children, and how they turn it all around.

Ron: 00:16:17

And so, uh, again, it's not an in your face, uh, you know, die or fry type of show, uh, but rather it's, it's a show that, Faith on the air.

Ron: 00:16:29

and it's just really a biblical principle because, you know, that's the thing about the word of God.

Ron: 00:16:33

We see so many examples of people who faced extraordinary, obstacles.

Ron: 00:16:38

And yet, how an extraordinary God came through for them.

Ron: 00:16:42

And so, and as you begin to read those, before long you begin to say, Wait a minute, God did it for them, He can do it for me, because God don't

Debra: 00:16:49

play no favorites.

Debra: 00:16:50

And so what he wants to do is put it under the radar.

Debra: 00:16:53

on a network television.

Debra: 00:16:56

So it will come out as a reality show, but then in the background of it, it's hooked up to a website that will explain the Christ component.

Debra: 00:17:08

It's also hooked up to a 1 800 PRAYER where you can call for prayer for yourself.

Ron: 00:17:14

Right, right.

Ron: 00:17:15

So it's really a kingdom project, uh, but it's, It's meant to run a mission behind enemy lines on secular television, as Deb was saying.

Ron: 00:17:23

and that's just part of the Here again, the evangelist in me.

Ron: 00:17:26

I tell people I'm an evangelist with a pastor's heart, but the evangelist in me that says, man, how can we reach people?

Ron: 00:17:33

You know, how can we meet people where they are and see if you, and, and you know, it was really, uh, Bobby DeWayne, who's, whole family was saved in a charismatic Catholic church.

Ron: 00:17:44

But he's the one years ago who helped me understand that he said, Ron, sometimes because people are so beat down that you've got to pick people up just a little bit so they can just begin to grasp the concept of a God who loves them,

Ron: 00:18:00

you know?

Ron: 00:18:01

And so, so that's really where we're, wanting to meet people where they are.

Ron: 00:18:06

and share that, hey, you know, if they can turn their marriage around, they can turn their health around, their finances, their relationship with the children.

Ron: 00:18:13

if Debra can

Debra: 00:18:14

forgive her mother and father,

Ron: 00:18:16

for

Debra: 00:18:17

what this happened to this girl and she's

Ron: 00:18:20

forgiven them?

Ron: 00:18:20

What?

Ron: 00:18:21

Right.

Ron: 00:18:22

Then, then you can too see, and, and then, and of course I end up every story by saying, don't forget your past does not equal your future.

Ron: 00:18:30

Go to our website, hear the whole story.

Ron: 00:18:32

Well see there's where the whole story, just like the, the girl that, or the couple that we shot in the pilot episode, you know, she was, uh, they, they, they now, I mean they were talking about Dan.

Ron: 00:18:42

In fact, I say this in the monologue, I say.

Ron: 00:18:44

They put the dits in dysfunction, you know, and when they got married and, and, and so it was just a disaster waiting to happen, but God, you know, but God, yeah.

Ron: 00:18:53

And so they now travel the country doing, uh, marriage workshops.

Ron: 00:18:57

Uh, you know,

Ron: 00:18:58

there's been 15, 16 years later, but anyway, um, She was saying how, uh, she said, I found my identity was in my husband.

Ron: 00:19:07

And, and so rather than go on the air and say, but I needed to have it in Christ.

Ron: 00:19:12

You know, I'll say, Hey, go to our website.

Ron: 00:19:14

And that's where,

Ron: 00:19:15

like in this case, you'll be able to say, you know, how I said, my identity is in my husband.

Ron: 00:19:19

Well, my identity now is in Jesus.

Ron: 00:19:21

And if your identity is not in Jesus, it can be, if you've never given your life to Christ, you can do that, you know?

Jaclyn: 00:19:26

Right.

Jaclyn: 00:19:27

Right.

Ron: 00:19:27

of the gist of that show.

Ron: 00:19:29

We shoot it on location and a lot of different shots.

Ron: 00:19:31

It was shot down around Long Beach,

Jaclyn: 00:19:33

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:19:34

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:19:34

Well, and I think it's interesting because like for a reality TV show, a lot of reality TV shows are kind of like, well, I mean, other than the ones that are on home improvement type stuff, um, a lot of them can be very,

Jaclyn: 00:19:47

About drama.

Jaclyn: 00:19:48

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:19:48

Yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:19:49

I was like, what's the word, you know?

Jaclyn: 00:19:50

so I love that this one is very inspirational and can imagine there would be so many different types of stories,

Jaclyn: 00:19:57

you know, where you would be able to see like how a person was at rock bottom and then they were able to, you know, recover and come through that and in a different place now and that's so inspiring especially for people that are going through a difficult time to be able to see there is hope.

Jaclyn: 00:20:15

Yes, this is a season because I think sometimes when we're in a season we forget that it's just a season and that it's not always going to be this way.

Ron: 00:20:23

right.

Ron: 00:20:23

We want it.

Ron: 00:20:24

Yeah, we wanted to be where Bubba and Erlene that are watching say, Hey, mama, our marriage is not near as messed up as theirs is.

Ron: 00:20:31

If they can turn their marriage around by a gallon, we can turn ours around, you know.

Debra: 00:20:34

Thank you, Ron Foxworthy.

Debra: 00:20:36

Yay!

Debra: 00:20:39

What the other thing is, is I feel like, and I don't know about you guys, but I feel like we're in the end times.

Debra: 00:20:46

And the closer we get to end times, the more problems people are going to have.

Jaclyn: 00:20:52

mm hmm,

Debra: 00:20:52

And the more mentally ill they're going to be.

Debra: 00:20:55

And the more terrible things are going to happen to them.

Debra: 00:20:58

And so let's hash that out.

Debra: 00:21:00

Let's flesh that out as Christians in like a reality show like this.

Debra: 00:21:04

Or like a faith based movie, like a biopic.

Debra: 00:21:07

And, and let's show them the exact way we're that it can be picked apart for all things to come together for those that love the Lord.

Jaclyn: 00:21:16

Right.

Jaclyn: 00:21:17

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:21:17

So how can people find out more about, this particular project?

Jaclyn: 00:21:22

What

Jaclyn: 00:21:22

was it called again?

Jaclyn: 00:21:23

Uh, Survivors in the Game of

Jaclyn: 00:21:24

Life.

Jaclyn: 00:21:25

Yeah.

Ron: 00:21:25

I mean, they, can't watch the pilot unless I send you link to it, but because it's proprietary, we're still, you know, I've got a manager Hollywood that's, uh, you know, still trying to sell it.

Ron: 00:21:35

And, and I don't know, I know, you know, I went through a time of, uh, people say, Oh, it's God's timing, Ron.

Ron: 00:21:41

But

Debra: 00:21:41

we know about God's timing.

Debra: 00:21:43

And I felt

Ron: 00:21:43

like if one more person says that to the moon, Alice, you know.

Debra: 00:21:46

But you can email Ron, Ron, R O N Moore M O O R E O K C at gmail.

Debra: 00:21:53

com.

Debra: 00:21:55

And he also can be reached on Facebook and our Ron and Dev Unplugged.

Debra: 00:21:58

We have a Facebook account with that.

Ron: 00:22:00

And I will send you the link.

Ron: 00:22:01

Yeah, that's right.

Ron: 00:22:02

And, uh, you know, it's already been used to, to, uh, so many people I've sent out to.

Ron: 00:22:08

So it's already been used in many lives to, touch marriages and things.

Ron: 00:22:12

So,

Jaclyn: 00:22:13

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:22:13

Well, thank you so much for the work that you do and, you know, that, that heart to pursue things for the kingdom of the Lord.

Jaclyn: 00:22:20

And, you know, I've, heard somewhere recently that, um, we always get paid for the work we do.

Jaclyn: 00:22:26

Sometimes it's in this life, sometimes it's in the next

Jaclyn: 00:22:28

life, but one or the other.

Jaclyn: 00:22:30

And so, you know, all of the work that you're putting in that goes unpaid in this life, your treasures are being stored up in heaven.

Ron: 00:22:37

you know, I actually told the mortgage company that the other day, I said, Hey, Go to my Heavenly Bank account, because it's got plenty of money, and just deduct the bank debt.

Ron: 00:22:44

But

Debra: 00:22:44

you know, I love that attitude, because as Christians, in the end times, that has to be our attitude.

Debra: 00:22:54

We can't have no other attitude.

Debra: 00:22:56

It is our responsibility that other people have a John 3.

Debra: 00:23:00

16 experience the same as ours.

Debra: 00:23:02

And it's, it's our responsibility and we will be held accountable for that.

Debra: 00:23:06

We will.

Debra: 00:23:07

And if you've been abused and, and you've been, um, an orphan or you've been a victim of domestic violence, or maybe you were a perpetrator of domestic violence, and you want to give back and you want to make it right, you You know, contact us and get involved in the, giving this movie legs and get contact us and get involved in giving this reality show Survivors in the Game of Life legs, because that's the kind of thing that we need to be investing in.

Ron: 00:23:35

This

Jaclyn: 00:23:36

Yes.

Jaclyn: 00:23:37

No, no.

Jaclyn: 00:23:38

And I love that word investing.

Jaclyn: 00:23:40

That's such an important word because it is, it is very much an investment.

Jaclyn: 00:23:44

And so what are the most valuable things to invest in?

Jaclyn: 00:23:48

It's people.

Debra: 00:23:49

It is.

Ron: 00:23:50

That's right.

Jaclyn: 00:23:50

Yeah.

Ron: 00:23:51

All the things we're going to take to heaven with us.

Ron: 00:23:52

Those, those people, those lost souls that we reach for Jesus.

Jaclyn: 00:23:56

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:23:57

Amen.

Jaclyn: 00:23:57

Well, thank you so much.

Jaclyn: 00:23:58

I've really enjoyed this and I look forward to seeing you guys in person, uh, the next time that we meet at a, hopefully a conference soon enough.

Jaclyn: 00:24:07

Um, yeah.

Jaclyn: 00:24:08

Well,

Jaclyn: 00:24:08

Thank you so much.

Ron: 00:24:09

so much.

Ron: 00:24:10

We

Debra: 00:24:10

really appreciate you guys and we appreciate the work that you're doing for the faith based film community.

Debra: 00:24:15

It is invaluable work.

Debra: 00:24:17

Thank you so much.

Debra: 00:24:18

I

Jaclyn: 00:24:18

Wow.

Jaclyn: 00:24:18

Awesome.

Jaclyn: 00:24:20

Yeah, alright.

Jaclyn: 00:24:22

God bless.